Maybe it is because of my dd-wrt router etc but i have totally failed at anything MITM lately, plus, i hammer my network with any settings for arp poison, i've tried and tried. I've also loaded up other pen test distros, even reaver pro custom, same deal, tried every script i could find, before i got the dd-wrt i could grab any creds with easy-creds or do it all from cli, so, i'm screwed on my network for now, which, i guess is a good thing, but, gonna lay off of it, focus on wireshark and sniffing. See what i can break there. Sorry about my "moment" on the channel everyone, sometimes, i freak myself out, a total ass. Try to be good. I love BB. I gotta lay off the "self sabotage" crap i guess. So, thanx for being more grown up and adult than i act at times. Sincerely, rod