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bonbonboi

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on: February 11, 2016, 12:25:02 AM
Why is it based-on Ubuntu?  ???



ostendali

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Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
Why is it based-on Ubuntu?  ???

why not?



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Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 08:34:45 PM
Why is it based-on Ubuntu?  ???

why not?

If Ubuntu based-on Debian, then why to go with it, better if backbox was based-on pure Debian without Ubuntu modifications  :-\ any way I got allergy with Ubuntu  ::)



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Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 08:43:53 PM
I have tried backbox alongside my Debain Linux, I felt there's something wrong with backbox, Debian is running smoothly and fast like a rocket, with backbox there is something makes the xfce respond in a different way than I used to experience it with Debian. I checked backbox, I found a lot stuff running on the background, I think okay maybe that's why it acts so. Plus, the menu apps takes more than memory because it's full of the auditing stuff, on my system the menu button  takes around 64MB just to handle the massive auditing entries. I think that bug is with xfce itself, that it needs to load all its applets to ram, instead to load them on demand.



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Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
I have tried backbox alongside my Debain Linux, I felt there's something wrong with backbox, Debian is running smoothly and fast like a rocket, with backbox there is something makes the xfce respond in a different way than I used to experience it with Debian. I checked backbox, I found a lot stuff running on the background, I think okay maybe that's why it acts so. Plus, the menu apps takes more than memory because it's full of the auditing stuff, on my system the menu button  takes around 64MB just to handle the massive auditing entries. I think that bug is with xfce itself, that it needs to load all its applets to ram, instead to load them on demand.
There is no big difference between Debian and Ubuntu the latter depends on previous one so it a matter of personal taste I have to say if you dont like ubuntu. Said that, Backbox is not Ubuntu, it is core been built on ubuntu simply because there is no need to reinvent the wheel as it is already there. Another reason is the repository system, ubuntu has better organized repository system where everyone can contribute to that. Since I am Debian fan really, I can't say the same about the Debian repo. So there are a number of reasons behind the choice of building BB on ubuntu core...

Coming to your complaints about the performance (which is one of the core key element in BB), I really doubt that Debian can cope with the same amount of resources consumption if we load the all BB build onto it. So my recommendation would be that if you are systems developer you'd have noticed that before you post any question here.

But don't worry, we like to receive critics and that is why we are here to answer to critics. We want to be criticized because it is the best way for us to improve.

So if you have the to load the all backbox build into Debian that you have, which you can easily do by adding BB repositories and upgrade the system and then check the comparison. If you still see performance differences pls post your findings and we will find out where are the issues occurring. But still we will do this with Ubuntu.

I will be the first one to migrate BB into Debian, but I really need a valid reason for that.

Welcome to our community and pls keep your critic spirit up ;)



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Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 07:27:49 PM
What if we take the auditing menu and stick it with another dock e.g. plank  dock, that time we free up some resources if in case anyone waned to load it on demand. Most of us not doing pentest all the time, right!



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Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 08:26:22 PM
I'm experiencing the exact opposite as compared to Parrot, Kali, and Backbox. Parrot is most unstable Kali is buggy and broken [Freezing problems that they refuse to fix and are blaming it on Gnome even though I tried to tell them it happens on XFCE and Mate but not as much with or without drivers for nvidia and ATI] Backbox is running stable. I tested it on 5 different systems, 3 boxes 1 laptop and 1 netbook including an Apple G5 [I'm not a fan of Apple but Linux runs great on it] I've been trying to find a replacement for Kali which Ive been using since Backtrack. Backbox wins for many reasons.

bonbonboi if your not using it for pen-testing then you should really use a different distro instead of trying to get them to change it to what you want in an OS. It is labeled for Pen-testing.



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Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 08:33:40 PM
I'm experiencing the exact opposite as compared to Parrot, Kali, and Backbox. Parrot is most unstable Kali is buggy and broken [Freezing problems that they refuse to fix and are blaming it on Gnome even though I tried to tell them it happens on XFCE and Mate but not as much with or without drivers for nvidia and ATI] Backbox is running stable. I tested it on 5 different systems, 3 boxes 1 laptop and 1 netbook including an Apple G5 [I'm not a fan of Apple but Linux runs great on it] I've been trying to find a replacement for Kali which Ive been using since Backtrack. Backbox wins for many reasons.

bonbonboi if your not using it for pen-testing then you should really use a different distro instead of trying to get them to change it to what you want in an OS. It is labeled for Pen-testing.

OK boy i got it. thanks for your first post.



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Reply #8 on: February 18, 2016, 09:33:55 PM
Got what?   ???    Did I miss something?  I'm not allowed to make my first post a reply?



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Reply #9 on: February 18, 2016, 09:44:35 PM
Got what?   ???    Did I miss something?  I'm not allowed to make my first post a reply?

I got that it is a pentest distro, so I should not rant here and there. I need to accept it or leave it.



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Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 05:35:56 PM
Got what?   ???    Did I miss something?  I'm not allowed to make my first post a reply?

I got that it is a pentest distro, so I should not rant here and there. I need to accept it or leave it.
you got it wrong!
it is free and with its source open distro, so if you want to alter it to your needs and the way you like it, feel free to do that. but it totally inaccurate to say debian is more performant than backbox because it is based on ubuntu.

i clearly stated before that if you read the main slogans on our site you will see the performance is in the heart of BB team, the core element... You are telling us that you are running debian without audit menu and comparing to a system where it has a massive menu that has to load. what kind of comparison is that?

Again, we are completely open to critics here, but what you are saying makes no sense at all.

You are still welcome to criticize whatever you want, we are living in a free world luckily or at least here in this forum:-)

good luck